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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16-Core 4.2 GHz AMD Radeon Graphics Desktop Processor
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That site is not super useful for getting real world info on what a given CPU does against another in anything but synthetic measurements.
here for example:
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
The 7950X3D is almost 40fps faster on average than the i8-13700 you're comparing it to across a suite of a bunch of games at 1080p...
Of course the 7800X3D is an even better deal since it's only 4 fps behind the 7950X3D for a price much nearer the i7-13700k so it's a better choice than either for a pure gaming build.
Productivity is a different story, for single thread the 13700k is going to be comparably ahead of the AMD ones...and the 7950X3D will be noticably better than the 7800X3D thanks to higher clocks.
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
For multi-thread it's a bit of split the difference... the 7950X3D beats the 13700k and the 7800X3D though possibly not beating the Intel by enough to justify the price gap, and if this is your focus anyway the i9-13900k is still a little cheaper than the 7950X3D and beats it slightly here (though it's worse for gaming than the 7950X3D)
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
tl;dr- If this is a gaming-only build the 7800X3D is the way to go. The 7950X3D really only makes sense for someone who wants a top gaming chip AND needs to do productivity work....likewise the Intel i7 and i9 are worth a look if you need a mix, depending how heavily your mix is games vs. productivity (and if it's multi or single thread focused)
If your primary need is productivity and not gaming a non-X3D 7950 might be worth a look as again the i7/i9 chips would be.
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https://cpu.userbenchma
"faster" at what?
That site is not super useful for getting real world info on what a given CPU does against another in anything but synthetic measurements.
here for example:
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
The 7950X3D is almost 40fps faster on average than the i8-13700 you're comparing it to across a suite of a bunch of games at 1080p...
Of course the 7800X3D is an even better deal since it's only 4 fps behind the 7950X3D for a price much nearer the i7-13700k so it's a better choice than either for a pure gaming build.
Productivity is a different story, for single thread the 13700k is going to be comparably ahead of the AMD ones...and the 7950X3D will be noticably better than the 7800X3D thanks to higher clocks.
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
For multi-thread it's a bit of split the difference... the 7950X3D beats the 13700k and the 7800X3D though possibly not beating the Intel by enough to justify the price gap, and if this is your focus anyway the i9-13900k is still a little cheaper than the 7950X3D and beats it slightly here (though it's worse for gaming than the 7950X3D)
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
tl;dr- If this is a gaming-only build the 7800X3D is the way to go. The 7950X3D really only makes sense for someone who wants a top gaming chip AND needs to do productivity work....likewise the Intel i7 and i9 are worth a look if you need a mix, depending how heavily your mix is games vs. productivity (and if it's multi or single thread focused)
If your primary need is productivity and not gaming a non-X3D 7950 might be worth a look as again the i7/i9 chips would be.
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https://cpu.userbenchma
If you're looking at building a gaming computer, the best CPU on the market seems to be the 7800x3D. These x3D variants have an absurd amount of cache which helps with some gaming workloads. The 7950x3D may have more cores but it's split between two CCDs, which introduces some latency between cores and cache. I would avoid this CPU unless you have a specific use-case or non-gaming workload. I would take anything from userbenchmark with a grain of salt.. they're highly opinionated against AMD and synthetic benchmarks aren't all that useful.
That site is not super useful for getting real world info on what a given CPU does against another in anything but synthetic measurements.
here for example:
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
The 7950X3D is almost 40fps faster on average than the i8-13700 you're comparing it to across a suite of a bunch of games at 1080p...
Of course the 7800X3D is an even better deal since it's only 4 fps behind the 7950X3D for a price much nearer the i7-13700k so it's a better choice than either for a pure gaming build.
Productivity is a different story, for single thread the 13700k is going to be comparably ahead of the AMD ones...and the 7950X3D will be noticably better than the 7800X3D thanks to higher clocks.
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
For multi-thread it's a bit of split the difference... the 7950X3D beats the 13700k and the 7800X3D though possibly not beating the Intel by enough to justify the price gap, and if this is your focus anyway the i9-13900k is still a little cheaper than the 7950X3D and beats it slightly here (though it's worse for gaming than the 7950X3D)
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
tl;dr- If this is a gaming-only build the 7800X3D is the way to go. The 7950X3D really only makes sense for someone who wants a top gaming chip AND needs to do productivity work....likewise the Intel i7 and i9 are worth a look if you need a mix, depending how heavily your mix is games vs. productivity (and if it's multi or single thread focused)
If your primary need is productivity and not gaming a non-X3D 7950 might be worth a look as again the i7/i9 chips would be.
These are a hybrid chip meant to give you both excellent gaming performance and good workstation performance for specific tasks. At a price premium.
If you just want to game, the best chip on the market bar none is the $439 7800x3d. If you want best non gaming chip at this price point the intel 13900K is your best bet.
There are many issues with this chip due to the 2 CCD design with one having the Vcache and the other not. For most users, this is just a hassle and even at a reduced price point of $557 (vs 700 at launch), I would recommend people avoid these chips.
I have gone through 5 chips now. Only 1 was stable at stock settings when benching or running stress tests. AVX2 single core 2 thread workloads often caused errors and the Sha3 benchmark would often BSOD.
The one that works currently is also one of the worst thermally. 2 Cores hitting 88 degrees temp even with a 280mm AIO or a high quality dual tower cooler. So overall a very poor experience with this specific chip.
TLDR - just get a 7800x3d for gaming. For other more workstation/content creation workloads, get a 13900K.
In my case, I upvoted the OP since this is a great price for what this chip is. I also purchased one to replace my current one I got for $650 from Amazon since my current and stable one is also thermally quite poor.
Even the 78003dx seemed to have some issues compared to the 58003dx, and to only be the fastest when paired with the top GPU, the 7900XTX (or presumably 4090)..
These are a hybrid chip meant to give you both excellent gaming performance and good workstation performance for specific tasks. At a price premium.
If you just want to game, the best chip on the market bar none is the $439 7800x3d. If you want best non gaming chip at this price point the intel 13900K is your best bet.
There are many issues with this chip due to the 2 CCD design with one having the Vcache and the other not. For most users, this is just a hassle and even at a reduced price point of $557 (vs 700 at launch), I would recommend people avoid these chips.
I have gone through 5 chips now. Only 1 was stable at stock settings when benching or running stress tests. AVX2 single core 2 thread workloads often caused errors and the Sha3 benchmark would often BSOD.
The one that works currently is also one of the worst thermally. 2 Cores hitting 88 degrees temp even with a 280mm AIO or a high quality dual tower cooler. So overall a very poor experience with this specific chip.
TLDR - just get a 7800x3d for gaming. For other more workstation/content creation workloads, get a 13900K.
In my case, I upvoted the OP since this is a great price for what this chip is. I also purchased one to replace my current one I got for $650 from Amazon since my current and stable one is also thermally quite poor.
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Having said that spending ~$600 on a cpu that fried itself is a bit scary especially since amd is allowing the cpu's to push themself to a pretty high temp of 89 C for the x3d and 95 C for the regular cpu's. The guy above complaining his is flawed cuz it was at 88C is pretty funny cuz if you watch any reviews they all say the cpu will push itself to that max temp of ~89 C to achieve max performance and thats by design so its proof his cpu is working perfectly. He prolly didnt download his chipset drivers so he's having crashes/bugs.
That site is not super useful for getting real world info on what a given CPU does against another in anything but synthetic measurements.
here for example:
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
The 7950X3D is almost 40fps faster on average than the i8-13700 you're comparing it to across a suite of a bunch of games at 1080p...
Of course the 7800X3D is an even better deal since it's only 4 fps behind the 7950X3D for a price much nearer the i7-13700k so it's a better choice than either for a pure gaming build.
Productivity is a different story, for single thread the 13700k is going to be comparably ahead of the AMD ones...and the 7950X3D will be noticably better than the 7800X3D thanks to higher clocks.
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
For multi-thread it's a bit of split the difference... the 7950X3D beats the 13700k and the 7800X3D though possibly not beating the Intel by enough to justify the price gap, and if this is your focus anyway the i9-13900k is still a little cheaper than the 7950X3D and beats it slightly here (though it's worse for gaming than the 7950X3D)
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
tl;dr- If this is a gaming-only build the 7800X3D is the way to go. The 7950X3D really only makes sense for someone who wants a top gaming chip AND needs to do productivity work....likewise the Intel i7 and i9 are worth a look if you need a mix, depending how heavily your mix is games vs. productivity (and if it's multi or single thread focused)
If your primary need is productivity and not gaming a non-X3D 7950 might be worth a look as again the i7/i9 chips would be.
That site is not super useful for getting real world info on what a given CPU does against another in anything but synthetic measurements.
here for example:
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
The 7950X3D is almost 40fps faster on average than the i8-13700 you're comparing it to across a suite of a bunch of games at 1080p...
Of course the 7800X3D is an even better deal since it's only 4 fps behind the 7950X3D for a price much nearer the i7-13700k so it's a better choice than either for a pure gaming build.
Productivity is a different story, for single thread the 13700k is going to be comparably ahead of the AMD ones...and the 7950X3D will be noticably better than the 7800X3D thanks to higher clocks.
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
For multi-thread it's a bit of split the difference... the 7950X3D beats the 13700k and the 7800X3D though possibly not beating the Intel by enough to justify the price gap, and if this is your focus anyway the i9-13900k is still a little cheaper than the 7950X3D and beats it slightly here (though it's worse for gaming than the 7950X3D)
https://cdn.mos.cms.fut
tl;dr- If this is a gaming-only build the 7800X3D is the way to go. The 7950X3D really only makes sense for someone who wants a top gaming chip AND needs to do productivity work....likewise the Intel i7 and i9 are worth a look if you need a mix, depending how heavily your mix is games vs. productivity (and if it's multi or single thread focused)
If your primary need is productivity and not gaming a non-X3D 7950 might be worth a look as again the i7/i9 chips would be.
You should be comparing the 7800 to the 13700.
You should be comparing the 7800 to the 13700.
Because the 13700 is the CPU the person I was replying to specifically asked about in comparison.
Of course I also mentioned the 13900 in my reply-quite specifically as comparison for productivity vs the 7950-- you seem to have missed that.
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Got great open box deals on my motherboard and RAM at Microcenter, making AM5 a financially sensible decision finally.
Hopefully motherboards start approaching closer to $150 so the full upgrade will be more affordable.
If anyone has a Microcenter by you, filter your search to b650 motherboard and open box, keep the tab open and refresh every couple days or so. I got a b650 Aorus Elite AX for $98 at Microcenter complete with box!
Gskill x5 flare RAM (2x16gb) with decent timing and MHZ frequency for $65 open box at Microcenter with TONS available at my local Microcenter (likely lots of returns from the mobo+cpu+RAM by bundles)
Google Amazon warehouse deals and tap the lifestyle link, automatically filters your search on Amazon to be only items with available warehouse deals. Got 7900XTX red Devil for $790 this way.
If you're willing to leave some of your PC components for new build in the box for a month or two and aren't afraid of open box, you can build a banger of a PC on the cheap!
Built a 7900XTX PC with all high quality parts for $1,850 after tax this way.